this bais din can not have any ruling and jurisdiction over the vaad hakahal. vaad hakahal does not have to listen to them. zaki do not listen to this.
Arbitration agreement third line of the second to the last paragraph reads: "And it was clearly agreed upon that no Beis Din in the world can annul nor alter the Psak Din even if it is their belief that the Beis Din erred." Zaki you must follow the Zablo, (who by the way is the reason you are in power, if not for the Zablo there would have not been elections for your Vaad, so in assents if you disobey the Psak you are saying you were not legitimately elected!)
oh come on! its just stall tactics from the sore losers after they lose this ikul they will go to another b"d, and then to another... "ain ledovor sof" there was a shtar boririn a din torah a psak and thats that, its over! we don't have to start the whole process over just because one side isn't happy with the outcome
this is the same "Rov" that put Rabbi Marlow O.B.M. and YBLCH"T Rabbi Osdoba himself in SIRUV! just to show you the credibility of this individual the community expects you to stand up and say Enough is enough! we had a fair din torah and fair elections we have a new Rov. period!
Theoretically, if the Vaad Hakohol does not comply with the Psak Din of the communal Zablo of Rabbi Rosenberg, then their own election to the office would be void [since the elections were held on the order of the Zablo], and the previous vaad would still be in power.
At that point, will the old/current vaad continue will all of the subpoenas? (which Moshe Rubashkin, Rabbi Bogomilsky, Rabbi Osdobo were very fearful of…)
This "ikul" is worthless, meaningless. Like serving papers without an index number or without a plaintiff. If they dont want to divulge who the toiveah is, they can stick it. In any event, you can't ask for an ikul post facto. There was a Hachtorah, the contract was signed, he served in the capacity as Rav which makes him a muchzak. The handwritten P.S. on the bottom of the letter is prejudicial to Rabbi Braun which invalidates the whole "ikul". The issue mentioned in the PS was dealt withg by the bais din of zablo and there is no possibility of revisiting it whether you signed the shtar birurin or not.
because it sets a wrong precedent, anybody not happy with a psak will go to another bais din and try to overturn it. ein beis din achar beis din v'ain achar maaseh bais din kloom!!!!!
Both parties have agreed long ago, and signed "And it was clearly agreed upon that no Beis Din in the world can annul nor alter the Psak Din even if it is their belief that the Beis Din erred."
This bais din has no jurisdiction over the ruling, neither the vaad hakahal.
Zaki, we stand with you, for you stand for the truth.
To: Zaki Tamir Shmais.com and collive.com have posted a statement in your name, explaining details about the Vaad's response to the Ikul, who they will be meeting with to decide how to respond, etc. I find it strange that this is only posted on those websites, and not on YOUR blog, as you are a man who likes to make things clear to the people. Please clarify. Thank you.
They say the Rebbe got semicha from Rabbi Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg, author of the Halachic work Sridei Eish (in addition to other semichos).
What was the Rebbe farherd on to get the semicha? was he tested on 'bosor becholov, melicha, taaruvos' etc? is being tested on these specific subject the only way to get semicha?
WOW, AND OUCH,TALK ABOUT THROWING A MONKEY WRENCH IN TO THE SPOKES OF A WHEEL THAT HASNT SEEN CHANGE IN YEARS, HERE GOES ROUND TWO!
ReplyDeletethis bais din can not have any ruling and jurisdiction over the vaad hakahal.
ReplyDeletevaad hakahal does not have to listen to them.
zaki do not listen to this.
You gotta follow the Zablo. the zablo is what created the election that got you voted in and now it confirmed Rabbi broun as Rov.
ReplyDeleteLet's get an Ikul against the Ikul! Then if they get an Ikul against our anti-Ikul Ikul, we'll get an Ikul declaring their Torah Sheni as void.
ReplyDeleteThe beis din zabla of 5 have spoken.
Excellent point. Can they even intervene? http://bit.ly/fXga73
ReplyDeleteArbitration agreement third line of the second to the last paragraph reads: "And it was clearly agreed upon that no Beis Din in the world can annul nor alter the Psak Din even if it is their belief that the Beis Din erred."
ReplyDeleteZaki you must follow the Zablo, (who by the way is the reason you are in power, if not for the Zablo there would have not been elections for your Vaad, so in assents if you disobey the Psak you are saying you were not legitimately elected!)
oh come on! its just stall tactics from the sore losers
ReplyDeleteafter they lose this ikul they will go to another b"d, and then to another... "ain ledovor sof" there was a shtar boririn a din torah a psak and thats that, its over! we don't have to start the whole process over just because one side isn't happy with the outcome
listen to this short story the Rebbe relates about how a loosing party to a Din Torah usually reacts...
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Zaki, please ignore this "ikkul." It's outrageous. Really, the chutzpah has gone on for too long!
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ReplyDeletelook at alter rebbe hilchos nezkei haguf venefesh, sif 15 and viter. the vaad hakhal may not have to obeyt his ikul
ReplyDeletethis is the same "Rov" that put Rabbi Marlow O.B.M. and YBLCH"T Rabbi Osdoba himself in SIRUV!
ReplyDeletejust to show you the credibility of this individual
the community expects you to stand up and say Enough is enough! we had a fair din torah and fair elections we have a new Rov. period!
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ReplyDeleteTheoretically, if the Vaad Hakohol does not comply with the Psak Din of the communal Zablo of Rabbi Rosenberg, then their own election to the office would be void [since the elections were held on the order of the Zablo], and the previous vaad would still be in power.
ReplyDeleteAt that point, will the old/current vaad continue will all of the subpoenas? (which Moshe Rubashkin, Rabbi Bogomilsky, Rabbi Osdobo were very fearful of…)
This "ikul" is worthless, meaningless. Like serving papers without an index number or without a plaintiff. If they dont want to divulge who the toiveah is, they can stick it.
ReplyDeleteIn any event, you can't ask for an ikul post facto. There was a Hachtorah, the contract was signed, he served in the capacity as Rav which makes him a muchzak. The handwritten P.S. on the bottom of the letter is prejudicial to Rabbi Braun which invalidates the whole "ikul".
The issue mentioned in the PS was dealt withg by the bais din of zablo and there is no possibility of revisiting it whether you signed the shtar birurin or not.
Zaki dont be a baby. you accepted the psak of Rabbi Rsoenberg... game over
ReplyDeleteAn Ikul is to prevent a specific action in the FUTURE.
ReplyDeleteI don't believe any action needs to be taken at this point by the vaad hakohol. the elections are over. the hachtara was already held.
GAME OVER. the vaad hakohol has NO power/jurisdiction over the Crown Heights Beis Din. aderaba, they are subject to the rulings of the Beis Din
What does it hurt to go to a another Beis Din? If you are right they will uphold the Psak.
ReplyDeletebecause it sets a wrong precedent, anybody not happy with a psak will go to another bais din and try to overturn it. ein beis din achar beis din v'ain achar maaseh bais din kloom!!!!!
ReplyDeleteBoth parties have agreed long ago, and signed "And it was clearly agreed upon that no Beis Din in the world can annul nor alter the Psak Din even if it is their belief that the Beis Din erred."
ReplyDeleteThis bais din has no jurisdiction over the ruling, neither the vaad hakahal.
Zaki, we stand with you, for you stand for the truth.
it seems that Rabbi O will just got to go together with mubarak, otherwise there will never be peace,its unfortanet
ReplyDeleterabbi osdoba would never ever win again if a election was held today , after the community has seen his terrible example.
ReplyDeleteALL of Rabbi Osdobo's 'allegations' in his letters is about the 'integrity' of Rabbi Braun.
ReplyDeleteIf he leakes classified = secret documents, what does that say about his integrity/transparency/honesty.
kol haposel...
To: Zaki Tamir
ReplyDeleteShmais.com and collive.com have posted a statement in your name, explaining details about the Vaad's response to the Ikul, who they will be meeting with to decide how to respond, etc. I find it strange that this is only posted on those websites, and not on YOUR blog, as you are a man who likes to make things clear to the people. Please clarify. Thank you.
They say the Rebbe got semicha from Rabbi Yechiel Yaakov Weinberg, author of the Halachic work Sridei Eish (in addition to other semichos).
ReplyDeleteWhat was the Rebbe farherd on to get the semicha? was he tested on 'bosor becholov, melicha, taaruvos' etc? is being tested on these specific subject the only way to get semicha?
see this beautiful video of Rabbi G.M. Garelik
www.chabad.org/1264762
BS"D
ReplyDeleteVideo says it all :)